The Future of Cybersecurity

Futurized goes beneath the trends to track the underlying forces of disruption in tech, policy, business models, social dynamics and the environment. I’m your host, Trond Arne Undheim, futurist and author.

In episode #[115 of the podcast, the topic is: The Future of Cybersecurity. Our guest is Bob Gourley, Co-Founder and CTO of OODA LLC and Action Council Member at the Atlantic Council Geotech Center.

In this conversation, we talk about new mental models for thinking about security, zero trust networks, cyberthreat amnesia–you mitigate the threat and forget, the evolution of technology, and we discuss the Red Queen Effect.

The host of this podcast, Trond Arne Undheim, Ph.D is the author of Health Tech: Rebooting Society’s Software, Hardware and Mindset–published by Routledge in 2021, Future Tech: How to Capture Value from Disruptive industry Trends–published by Kogan Page in 2021, Pandemic Aftermath: how Coronavirus changes Global Society and Disruption Games: How to Thrive on Serial Failure (2020)–both published by Atmosphere Press in 2020, Leadership From Below: How the Internet Generation Redefines the Workplace by Lulu Press in 2008. For an overview, go to Trond’s Books at

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Trond’s takeaway: Cybersecurity cannot rely on awareness alone, we need to become smarter than that, allowing technology and systematic approaches to help us become more secure. We also need to bake ethics into the discussion. What should we allow, what norms should we work to establish across the international community as acceptable and not acceptable attack spaces and under what conditions?

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If you like this topic, you may enjoy other episodes of Futurized, such as episode #102, The Geotech Decade, episode #69, The Future of Quantum Security, or episode #14, Post-pandemic Tech.

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