DeepFakes are getting Real

Kathryn Harrison, CEO and founder of FixFake, and founder of Deep Trust Alliance, interviewed by Trond Arne Undheim, futurist and author.

In this conversation, we talk about fake news, content wars, cybersecurity, synthetic media, digital avatars, AR/VR, computer-generated imagery (CGI), AI-assisted video calls, fake celebrity porn videos, deep learning specifically Generative Adversarial Nets (GAN) and how people have been editing people’s faces on pictures since the internet started. To what extent is this just innovation and where does it get serious?

After listening to the episode, check out Deep Trust Alliance as well as Kathryn Harrison’s social media profile:

Trond’s takeaway: “DeepFakes was until quite recently an esoteric topic. We had all seen innocent versions of it on playful apps, but I think many of us assumed it would be easy to tell the real thing. Not any more. The ramifications are enormous. We will soon not know what reality is. We cannot trust documentaries. We risk that others try to misrepresent us online–but also in the real world. What will this do to an already broken trust between people and media institutions? What happens to privacy? What happens to cybersecurity? We should count ourselves lucky that there are people like Kathryn Harrison watching our back. But is it enough? I’m left with more questions that when I started.”

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If you like this topic, you may enjoy other episodes of Futurized, such as episode 102, The Geotech Decade, episode 69, The Future of Quantum Security, or episode 28, The Future of Child Trafficking.

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